not since the incompetent mr. christopher was secretary of state. that is part of a larger landscape that i'm worried about because since 2009, we thought we had gone beyond race. but if you look at comments people are making offhandedly, everybody from samuel l. jackson to the reverend joseph lowery said white people belong in hell and just lately jamie fox joked about shooting white people, morgan freeman, it's almost as if there has been an outpouring of racial separatism and hostility. it's not a good climate. >> steve: when colin powell was secretary of state and when he was criticized, nobody came back and said, well you're doing that because of the color of his skin. same thing with condoleeza rice, when she was excoriated by senator barbara boxer. >> and gonzalez, same thing. attorney general. so there is not just race, but it's race and the ideology and politics. why are people doing it? because it gives them a political edge and people are afraid to call them on it. >> steve: doesn't it seem like just one side is using that? >> it is. and